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  • #61
    رد: مستجدات صفقات التسلح السعودي الالماني




    Sigmar Gabriel and the Leopards - attempt to progress clarification

    Wednesday, April 23, 2014 Julie

    Otfried Nassauer From | BITS |

    - About the, Bild am Sonntag 'let's Economics Minister Gabriel hinted recently that Saudi Arabia is to receive no Leopard tank. Neither Germany nor from Spain, where they can be produced under license.For German supplies and German authorizations were required, there would not be. The news makes people take notice, because it relates to a long controversial export business.



    Saudi Arabia wants to buy up to 800 of the German tank and have it up to 18 billion euros provided, knows the BamS to report from Saudi sources. This would correspond to a calculated price of € 22.5 million per tank. However, including training, maintenance and spare parts facilities. And probably also including the customary fees for business-relevant payments, vulgo corruption.In March this year, the BamS, had reached an agreement with Saudi Arabia Spain, first to obtain a first batch of 150 Leopard 2A7plus. This contract but only comes into force if the federal government undertakes the necessary permits. And now a Berliner "Nyet!"?What is it? On the business and the approval to be denied now, even though the Federal Security Council should have signaled to the business on a preliminary inquiry but already in June 2011 to be "green light". This includes a look at the history.

    The history

    The grand coalition led by Chancellor Angela Merkel (CDU) and Foreign Minister Frank-Walter Steinmeier (SPD) in 2008 met a momentous decision: You answered a preliminary inquiry for a tank and Haubitzenexport to the Arabian Peninsula positive. Qatar interested in modern Leopard tanks and German howitzers type PzH 2000.
    If Israel does not objecting, should be supplied, the Federal Security Council decided - on time Socialist proposal. From Israel came no no. The principle hitherto negative attitude of Germany towards delivery of tanks to the Arabian Peninsula was broken. In the future, it was at once determined, were deliveries to the Arabian Peninsula no longer taboo, but the subject of decisions in individual cases.The Saudi government, interested in Leopard tanks for more than 30 years, this noted and understood it as an invitation to express their interest again. Saudi Arabia turned to Spain.From monarchy to monarchy, the Saudis by 2010 made a tempting offer: Madrid should build for Saudi Arabia Leopard tanks under license, deliver, maintain and supply.A government business, in which the Saudi government bought the tanks from the Spanish and this makes them ready for the industry. A good business with a long term and a significantly larger volume than a simple tank purchase the industry. First was from about 200 to 270 tanks for 3 billion euros the speech, later leaked from Saudi sources in the Bild newspaper by long-term need Saudi Arabia even 600-800 tanks.The request in Spain brought Germany several times into play: Spain has an older version of Leopard tank here, the Leopard 2E. This is similar to the Leopard 2A5. In order to produce more modern versions like the Leopard 2A6, Leopard 2A6M or the latest variant 2A7plus, requires the Spanish manufacturer, Santa Barbara Sistemas, additional licenses and manufacturing documents.For the Spanish final assembly, the German industry makes to critical components. In addition, exporting must be authorized. Spain can not sell Leopard tank without the approval of German authorities to a third country and must protect the German rights to the technology.Because the license manufacturer Santa Barbara Sistemas heard since 2001 the U.S. company General Dynamics and builds the most important competitor of the Leopard tank, the M1A2 Abrams.In addition to that, the German manufacturer of the Leopard, Krauss Maffei Wegmann (KMW), then had to have a strong interest to work off part of the contract. KMW needed a customer to get his leopard-production going and above all to begin series production of the new version to be able to. A second potential buyers - in addition to Qatar - so that was a very interesting option.Already in 2010 began the CEO of KMW, Frank Haun, to make a blue country on his world map of Saudi Arabia. Haun showed this card occasionally its guests. Blue countries are those in which he could deliver, yellow are those in which he perhaps could provide and the red, which are the countries that are prohibited in the deliveries. Saudi Arabia was formerly a red country. It should be as fast as possible to a yellow or even blue.By mid-2011, we succeeded Haun to create conditions first. He had antichambriert in the important German ministries and advertised that the competent minister in exporting to Saudi Arabia should not, in principle stand in the way. Deliveries to the Arabian Peninsula are even now in principle be approved. He wanted to achieve a "green light" to the government for talks on Leopard delivery to Saudi Arabia.Since Haun at that time could not know whether the delivery ultimately from Spain, Germany or even from both countries would take place, his de******ion of the potential business and his first request may have been still rather general. On 27 June 2011 he was the Federal Security Council hoped the green light. "Consent" noted the report. Two weeks later, DER SPIEGEL got wind of it and told a few months later in detail how it had happened. Unclear, however, remained as the "green light" looked in detail and what Haun had to get it.Part was the fact that Frank Haun has always denied that KMW have ever provided a preliminary inquiry or a permit application for large-scale delivery of tanks to Saudi Arabia.However, the BSR summarizes resolutions only when he has a little for a decision. So Something must have been to decide in June 2011.A year later, in 2012, KMW was in possession of a permit for the temporary export of a Leopard tank for "demonstration" in Saudi Arabia. An after Saudi notions of KMW Leopard 2A6 of converted from Dutch stock was demonstrated the involvement of a staff officer of the Bundeswehr in Saudi Arabia.Conceivable, therefore, it is also clear that the federal government was informed in the context of a preliminary inquiry or request for approval of temporary export for the Vorführpanzers about the possible, future tank deal with Saudi Arabia. Since the demonstration was approved, Haun could interpret this as a "green light" for further talks on a later tank export to Saudi Arabia and yet deny reports that he had already made a preliminary inquiry for later Panzer tanks export business.His approach would have certain similarities with a task, the lagged more than 10 years.Even then, pointing to a highly controversial among the German public export of Leopard 2 tanks to. Hundreds Turkey are delivered, threatened their use in the Kurdish areas. Even then it was abgeblich initially only a temporary export of a single tank for experimental purposes. When the possible export of Leopard tanks to Saudi Arabia has been publicly that he quickly became the symbol of a public debate about the future of the German arms export policy. The dispute was in 2012 by Saudi requests for armored transport vehicles of the type Boxer, protected CBRN defense vehicles of the Dingo and patrol boats of the shipyard Lürssen more intense.In addition, the discussion was fueled by speeches by Chancellor Merkel in which she spoke out for the "upgrading" of friendly regional powers that could be stabilizing active in conflicts in the western interest. Merkel said the supply of arms to such states is right. The so-called Merkel Doctrine.However, for the election year of 2013, the interests of the Chancellor were stored differently soon. Others for a controversial discussion about German arms exports should now be avoided. Beue export projects to Saudi Arabia were at the end of 2012 at the Federal Security Council postponed rather than chosen. Also KMW bowed to the standstill request of the Chancellor and showed restraint.To re-renovation requests Saudi Arabia were initially not technically implemented for the Leopard 2 model, the tank was not again taken to Saudi Arabia and the talks with Spain on the next steps faltered. Also a thought is for the time shortly after the election travel Hauns with Spanish government officials to Riyadh initially did not take place.The government in Germany needed time and with Sigmar Gabriel took a SPD politician, the competent Ministry of Economic Affairs, who had criticized Merkel's course in Leopard export to Saudi Arabia sharply before the election: "Stop this odyssey," Gabriel, the Chancellor shouted from the opposition benches.It is also possible that, in addition to industrial policy complications occurred in Spain.Spanish sources, KMW had thought about it, the Spanish license manufacturer of the Leopard, Santa Barbara Sistemas, buy if the deal with Saudi Arabia would come about. That would have opened up the option of producing the Leopard permanently in Spanienzu. To this end, KMW but would have to agree with its main competitors, the American company General Dynamics, for the Santa Barbara is an important part of its European business.Reminder: When Santa Barbara was privatized in 2001, also KMW had commanded, but the American was inferior ultimately. With the Saudi Arabia-business in the back, a new start-up would therefore can be interesting at least. However, it could not be taken as certain that General Dynamics would have been prepared for sale, because so far, the U.S. group is the most important Panzer supplier Saudi Arabia.In April 2013, the situation changed for KMW. With Qatar a contract for the supply of 62 Leopard 2A7plus and 24 howitzers in 2000 was completed. This business busy part of the German manufacturing capacity at KMW and its suppliers from preliminary and thus also reduces the possibility, in addition to manufacture tanks for Saudi Arabia in Germany.Both to take a modified assessment of the possibilities Santa Barbara and business with Qatar, which guaranteed the existence and development of the battle tank construction at KMW provisionally could have had the effect in the company changing priorities. The future of tank production in Germany was provisionally secured. Therefore, the main focus might have shifted to the still on unwarranted segment of the lighter armored wheeled vehicles.With the GTK Boxer KMW is represented together with Rheinmetall in this segment with a modern and powerful, but also relatively heavy and expensive vehicle. Germany and the Netherlands in 2006 ordered together 472 boxers, 200 for the Royal Netherlands Army and 272 for the Bundeswehr. These vehicles are currently running on. Everything stays on schedule, so production is 2014/15 and ending about a year later, Rheinmetall at KMW. But what came after that?It was planned that should be connected to the initial purchase of the boxer in Germany buying a second batch. But it will be delayed significantly if it still comes. Only in the next decade the majority of fox-armor should now be phased out in the army. The Bundeswehr reform reduces the need and scarce financial resources represent the 2nd batch of the boxer new date or even questioned.On the German manufacturers and their suppliers thus plays a utilization gap. If the boxer be produced consistently, so would need to about 2014/15 first exports are raised. Otherwise, would the production line at least a temporary halt. Against this background, a further request of Saudi Arabia was possibly higher urgency and timeliness.The Royal Guard of Saudi Arabia has shown interest in the boxer. The elite unit is the size of a regiment, and consists of three light infantry battalions. For a little more than 200 boxers are required. KMW know of the Saudi interest at least two years. In autumn 2012 the Federal Security lay before a corresponding initial inquiry. However, this was not decided but was postponed.After parliamentary elections and government formation, the process will probably come back on the table. Maybe even at the currently planned for early May the first meeting in the new legislature. It may well be that industrial policy reasons and corporate interests currently an export business for the boxer as an important consider a Leopard export to Saudi Arabia.Is the Leopard export so died from the perspective of KMW? Probably not. Especially not in the longer term.KMW has the negotiation of the treaty between the Spanish and the Saudi government continued support and assistance. Company representatives were therefore again in Saudi Arabia and entry into force of the Treaty is provisional only depends on whether the federal government Spain granted the necessary permits. The Governments of Spain and Saudi Arabia will campaign for probably still strong. Saudi Arabia can refer to the deal with Qatar.Even Qatar is keien Western democracy and is partly with even harsher hand reigns as Saudi Arabia

    Gabriel No

    Federal Minister Sigmar Gabriel has clearly positioned itself and made it clear that he would not agree to an export license for Leopard tanks to Saudi Arabia. His ministry is responsible, he is the party leader of the junior coalition partner, and also vice chancellor. So you could say: Without him, nothing goes in the coalition, so the leopard exports are now finally failed.Clearly still is not what Gabriel No means ultimately.
    In the current legislature has so far been no meeting of the Federal Security Council. So Gabriel before the federal press conference this week. Only the Preparatory Committee of Secretaries has already met and passed resolutions. There can be no new policy position of the Security Council so still. It is more than what was agreed in 2008 and 2011.About the tank deal with Saudi Arabia so it must be decided as an individual case, a principled No it is not subject. That is the policy position from the year 2008. Exactly what was decided in 2011, is not known in detail. Was then reacted to a preliminary inquiry to a larger leopard export from Germany and / or Spain with a green light in administrative law binding form? Or was another decision, such as noted on the proposed temporary export of a tank for testing purposes to Saudi Arabia a possible larger export business in this country only in the context?If the first is the case, could mean massive controversy in the coalition Gabriel's announcement in extreme cases. Then at least when Angela Merkel as chancellor would insist on the KMW given commitment and be willing to match Gabriel because of their authority. Then there would be a serious coalition crisis. This is theoretically possible, but hardly probable.Unlike subject things, when the large export projects to Saudi Arabia was noted in 2011 only in the context of another decision and implicitly assumed that the endorsement - for example in the context of the test tank. Then Gabriel could argue that an agreement on the matter is still pending and this could not be done with him. Advocates and industry could hardly accuse him then to break even given commitments.Finally, it is not excluded that the short-term interests of KMW is different from two years ago today. If it KMW today would be important to obtain the permit or a green light, for example, for a boxer export to Saudi Arabia than to pursue the Leopard-business further, then Gabriel No could also prevail.However, the Minister could then face the question, how much is it to be No, that is the maintenance of a campaign promise worth. Is not impossible that he may have to pay to other Saudi Arabia exports but with a "Yes". The SPD has already signaled that it agrees with the multi-billion dollar export of patrol boats to Saudi Arabia by the company Lürssen.Next open because only postponed by the Federal Security Council before the election, the decisions on the Saudi wishes after the Boxer and after NBC vehicles by type dingo. In both KMW would be one of the party. His stance on this projects would not let Gabriel previously leaked. In politics, however, it is not uncommon to make a good message publicly and to conceal the related bad.Arms export opponents and peace movement have against the export of Leopard tanks to Saudi Arabia with the slogan "Put the Leo to the chain!" Effective and well so far successfully protested in the matter. If this success is no flash in the pan, so you would be advised to broaden their slogan quickly: "Sets the Leo to the chain! - And the boxer on a leash! "
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    • #62
      رد: مستجدات صفقات التسلح السعودي الالماني

      مقال جميل وفية معلومات كاملة عن التسلح الاخير السعودي الالماني ودخول اسبانيا في السباق ..

      ساحاول ترجمة بعض النقاط المهة لاحقأ
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      • #63
        رد: مستجدات صفقات التسلح السعودي الالماني

        غريبه ماحد ترجمه

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        • #64
          رد: مستجدات صفقات التسلح السعودي الالماني

          الموقع عربي صح والا انا واهم

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          • #65
            رد: مستجدات صفقات التسلح السعودي الالماني

            لا جديد في خبر المدونة وهنا اهم العناصر

            الحرس الوطني يطمح لطلب 200 دبابة

            الجيش يريد بين 272 - 200 دبابة كعاجل ثم من 600 - 800 دبابة

            اسبانيا تصنع النسخة الاقدم من اليوبارد 2A5

            لكن فشل بسبب تعثر رخصة التصدير من المانيا

            قطر تملك 62 دبابة 2A7

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            • #66
              رد: مستجدات صفقات التسلح السعودي الالماني

              اخر اخبار الليبوبارد
              تمت صفقة ٢٠٠ دبابة وتسلمنا منها بالفعل ٤٤ دبابة
              تعرقلت صفقة رفع عدد الدبابات الى ٦٠٠
              الصفقة مع المانيا ولاجديد مع اسبانيا

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              • #67
                رد: مستجدات صفقات التسلح السعودي الالماني

                في عام 2002 الامير سلطان قام بزيارة لفرنسا واذكر

                طرحت فرنسا علية في الزيارة شراء دبابة لكليرك

                وتحدثت الصحف السعودية عن امكانية شراء عدد 300 دبابة

                من هذا النوع وبعد ذلك صمتت السعودية عن الصفقة

                وكذلك فرنسا .....من هذا الخبر في تلك السنة نكتشف

                ان السعودية تخطط لشراء دبابات من ذلك العام لوجود

                نقص لديها بسلاح الدبابات اي قبل 12 سنة من الان

                وللاسف ما زالت حتى الان تعاني هذا النقص والسبب

                هو الاقتناع بنوع واحد فقط وعدم الزج بالخيار البديل

                وهذه مسئلة خطيرة لان الجيش السعودي جيش متطور

                الا بسلاح الدبابات فجميعها قديمة واحدث دبابة لديها

                اقتنتها السعودية قبل 22 سنة وهي الابرامز وبعدد لا يتجاوز

                385 دبابة فقط وحدثت للطراز الجديد s ...على مساحة السعودية

                الشاسعه والمترامية اعتقد بان السعودية بحاجة ل 2000 دبابة

                من يعوض هذا النقص الكبير في العدد والتقنية الحديثة اذا لم توافق المانيا

                هل ننتظرها سنين طويلة بهذا النقص ام نقتني البديل ليسد الحاجة

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                • #68
                  رد: مستجدات صفقات التسلح السعودي الالماني

                  المشاركة الأصلية بواسطة تايفون مشاهدة المشاركة
                  في عام 2002 الامير سلطان قام بزيارة لفرنسا واذكر

                  طرحت فرنسا علية في الزيارة شراء دبابة لكليرك

                  وتحدثت الصحف السعودية عن امكانية شراء عدد 300 دبابة

                  من هذا النوع وبعد ذلك صمتت السعودية عن الصفقة

                  وكذلك فرنسا .....من هذا الخبر في تلك السنة نكتشف

                  ان السعودية تخطط لشراء دبابات من ذلك العام لوجود

                  نقص لديها بسلاح الدبابات اي قبل 12 سنة من الان

                  وللاسف ما زالت حتى الان تعاني هذا النقص والسبب

                  هو الاقتناع بنوع واحد فقط وعدم الزج بالخيار البديل

                  وهذه مسئلة خطيرة لان الجيش السعودي جيش متطور

                  الا بسلاح الدبابات فجميعها قديمة واحدث دبابة لديها

                  اقتنتها السعودية قبل 22 سنة وهي الابرامز وبعدد لا يتجاوز

                  385 دبابة فقط وحدثت للطراز الجديد s ...على مساحة السعودية

                  الشاسعه والمترامية اعتقد بان السعودية بحاجة ل 2000 دبابة

                  من يعوض هذا النقص الكبير في العدد والتقنية الحديثة اذا لم توافق المانيا

                  هل ننتظرها سنين طويلة بهذا النقص ام نقتني البديل ليسد الحاجة
                  كما ذكر الروقي تم استلام عدد من الدبابات الالمانيه هي الأقوى
                  تعنت الغير ضدنا ليس مبرر للتهجم والتهكم
                  المملكة كقاده عسكريه يعملون ليل نهار وفي كل الاتجاهات
                  آلتاي التركيه والخالد الباكستانية كمثال حي
                  وفي نفس الوقت تعمل في صفقات أخرى

                  كجويه ودفاع جوي وضعنا ممتاز
                  بحريه وبريه التطوير والصفاقات على قدم وساق

                  وصدقني وجه الخير سلمان بن سلطان راعيها.

                  والأيام ستبرهن لنا القوه السعوديه

                  صواريخ رياح الشرق فقط ارعبت العالم وأجبرت العم سام على تعديل وتغيير مخططه مع ايران

                  هذا ونحن لم نعرض غوري وغيره

                  كن على ثقه ونحن كدوله نعمل بصمت ولسنا فوتوشبيون


                  العوده الصفقه الالمانيه ان شاء الله ستكتمل وبعدها فكر بالاحدث

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                  • #69
                    رد: مستجدات صفقات التسلح السعودي الالماني

                    وافق جبرائيل الهيس الاربد اليوم على حزمة تسليح بلغت قيمتها 1.2 مليار يورو

                    موزعه على عدة دول ..

                    السعودية **
                    الجزائر **
                    سنغافورة **
                    كوريا **
                    امريكا **


                    الى الان لم تعلن عن نوع الصفقات ..........
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                    • #70
                      رد: مستجدات صفقات التسلح السعودي الالماني

                      في اكبر عملية اندماج لشركات التصنيع العسكرية .

                      اعلن اليوم عن اندماج شركة Nexter التي تصنع اللوكيريك وشركة KMW المصنعه لليوبارد ..

                      يبداء تطبيق هذا الاندماج في عام 2015 .

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                      • #71
                        رد: مستجدات صفقات التسلح السعودي الالماني

                        والوضع لا يقتصر على الدبابات فقط وانما المدافع الهاوترز وذاتية الحركة كـ القيصر وغيرة
                        وايضا على العربات المدرعة بجميع اشكالها .

                        والسؤال هنا .

                        هل نستفيد من هذا الاندماج وتخرج شركات السلاح الالمانية من عبائة الحكومة الالمانية
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                        • #72
                          رد: مستجدات صفقات التسلح السعودي الالماني

                          المصدر
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                          • #73
                            رد: مستجدات صفقات التسلح السعودي الالماني

                            الآن علينا التعجيل بزيادة عدد الدبابات
                            احداث المنطقة الملتهبة وفوبيا داعش قد تساعدنا في تمرير ماكان ممنوع سابقا

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                            • #74
                              رد: مستجدات صفقات التسلح السعودي الالماني

                              شركة Nexter وشركة KMW قدمتاً دبابتين من افضل 5 دبابات في الساحة .. فكيف عندما تتوحد جهودهما؟ انتظر مابعد العام المقبل بشغف.

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                              • #75
                                رد: مستجدات صفقات التسلح السعودي الالماني

                                يجب الضغط على الالمان بشتى الطرق..لاوقت لتضييعه

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